As someone who has donated to the SPCA in various ways over the years (including having family members make donations in lieu of buying me Christmas and birthday gifts), I was distressed to learn that the SPCA is engaged in a lawsuit against Animal Advocates.

Although I cannot judge the merits of your suit on a legal basis, I can judge it on what appears to me to be a regrettable waste of resources which I, and I'm sure many other donors, thought were being used for the humane care of animals in distress, not for litigation of this nature.

I have always applauded and admired the courage of those who speak for the animals in an effort to ensure their safety and dignity. However, I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to say for the animals with this legal action against Animal Advocates. In all fairness, I did visit your website to search for the BCSPCA's version of events which led to the lawsuit but found nothing which would explain the Society's position. More is the pity because I am also left with the perception that your actions are also draining Animal Advocates of even scarcer resources than yours.

At the end of the day, despite the differences between your organizations in philosophy, policy and procedure, I thought that your espoused concern for animal welfare would have prevailed above all else. As the "Goliath" in this case, I expected that the SPCA would have shown greater leadership in trying to resolve the issues at hand before resorting to litigation.

As a result I cannot, in good conscience, continue my financial support of the SPCA while holding the perception that funds are being used in this manner. However, as of today, I have pledged monthly financial support to Animal Advocates in a modest attempt to help them mitigate the costs of doing what their life's work is meant to be -- caring for the animals, not fighting costly lawsuits.

Respectfully,
Connie Filletti
West Vancouver

Dear Ms. Troman,

I know you must be busy so I'll try to be brief. I have heard from many people who no longer support the SPCA and from some who have revised their wills to exclude the SPCA. It's common knowledge that this organization has had its troubles. But I've seen how the SPCA has tried to silence its critics or has refused to respond to them. This cannot help the SPCA.

One critic can be crazy; a small group can be in collusion. But when you have a large number of critics in different organized groups such as Animal Advocates, CYA, and the BCAWC, then people say "where there's smoke, there's fire". There are always a few critics who are irrational and unreasonable. But the vast majority are animal lovers with valid concerns. Their suggestions have been offered, I needn't remind you. If the SPCA is seen to respond, not defensively but constructively, these critics will not just fall silent, they would applaud the improvements.

Only the very few irrational ones would continue to campaign, and they would soon be recognized for what they are.

Paying lawyers to silence critics is not the answer. It does not reassure the public that the SPCA has nothing to hide. What works is caring of a kind that cannot be faked. I have in mind the Maple Ridge SPCA. There are a few young women there who have been working there for a couple of years now at least. They are completely dedicated and compassionate, particularly one whose job title is, I believe, Receptionist. She is the one people talk to when they phone or come in, and the people see someone energetic, committed and devoted to the animals in her care. So visitors and volunteers alike have confidence in that shelter. The Maple Ridge SPCA enjoys the support and respect of the community and of other rescue groups within the community. Employees like this not only do a great service for the animals but for the SPCA itself.

I've taken up enough of your time. I hope you see my point. Money spent on lawyers will never help the SPCA the way it could if it was spent on the animals.

Sincerely,
Brigitta MacMillan
Katie's Place Cat Shelter
Maple Ridge

Judy Stone is not the SPCA's "worse enemy" but she is an informed and intelligent critic. To insinuate she is the SPCA's enemy is both inflammatory and unfortunate as it suggests she is fanatical rather than analytical in her statements concerning the BC SPCA. There are many of us who post on the Animal Advocates "The Watchdog" who believe that expressing our views publicly is driving "positive change" within the BC SPCA.

I myself have found suggestions I have made on 'The Watchdog" implemented very quickly whereas when I write a letter to the Board of Directors I often receive no reply and no change is forthcoming.

Presently I find the financial priorities of the BC SPCA to be extremely concerning.

Recently 90 cats were killed rather than treated at the Kamloops SPCA and it has come to my attention that there is no spay/neuter program at the Kamloops Branch of the BC SPCA. There are other branches which also do not have a spay/neuter program.

When there is obviously a pressing need for funds to be spent saving lives and spaying and neutering can you tell me why money is being wasted suing a small society such as Animal Advocates? As this lawsuit has been going on some time I must assume considerable dollars are being spent with no noticeable return to the animals that the money was donated for.

Carol Sonnex
Victoria

A letter from ex-SPCA star employee, Amanda Muir who helped to remove "Cheech" to stop the SPCA from killing him and was fired. See more about Amanda and Cheech.

----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Muir
To: board@spca.bc.ca ; cdaniell@spca.bc.ca
Cc: office@animaladvocates.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:06 PM

Dear SPCA Management, Board or Directors and Ms. Troman,

Having learned that the SPCA is spending a great deal of money on a lawsuit against the Animal Advocate Society does not surprise me. However, it does appall me. The financial situation the SPCA claims to be in and the desperate pleas set out to the public for donations on a regular basis would lead most to believe these donations are needed for the animals. That these donations will be used in this way should do nothing but discourage more donations from the public.

I ask that the welfare of the animals be taken into consideration and that money be spent on them as it should be not on legal matters that do not benefit the animals or their welfare in any way.

The public outrage will be great when people learn that this is one of the ways their donation dollars are being spent while animals in shelter wait for care, while surgeries are postponed due to lack of donations to the 'Biscuit Fund' but money is being spent on this lawsuit. Please prove that the animals come first.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter and for doing the right thing for the animals and the public. To truly "Speak for those who cannot speak for themselves" is to ensure the animals needs are met above all else.

Amanda Muir

Mr. Daniell,

I would suggest you issue a PUBLIC STATEMENT, detailing your reasons for attacking the AAS through the legal system and projected expenses, as well as the source of monies to be used for this lawsuit.

I am certain the public would be very interested in such a statement.

R. Brodgesell
Ex Chair of CAC, SPCA Nanaimo & District

July 2005
Dear President and Board of Directors of the BC SPCA,

I am writing to express my concern and dismay that a large organization such as yourselves, with the ostensible goal of helping animals, is attacking a small and dedicated group who work tirelessly for the sole purpose of trying to make things better for animals.

Please give up your lawsuit against Animal Advocates and focus your money, time and efforts on improving animal welfare. This is very much needed both here in Vancouver and all over the Province, especially in the north.

It is still legal to have dogs living on the end of a chain or rope here in Vancouver – spend your money and efforts on getting this prohibited. Animal Advocates has urged the City for four years to ban the keeping of yard dogs. What public support have you given this effort?

What steps are you taking to educate the public against buying animals from back yard breeders and puppy mills – most especially from the pet stores which keep puppy mills in business? Endless lists of puppies for sale appear daily in the newspapers – the source of so many of the dogs that end up in your shelters. How are you addressing the problem of impulse pet purchase?

When is the BC SPCA going to do something about the horrendous suffering endured by factory farmed animals, the way they are raised, their transport and slaughter?

What is being done to improve conditions in the SPCA shelters and rehabilitate dogs with behaviour problems? A dog who meant a great deal to me died in 1989 and I began to visit SPCA shelters at that time, seeking to adopt a dog in need of a home.

The first dog I adopted from the SPCA was in 1990, then again ones in 1991, 1997, and in 2000, always feeling concern over how they were kept and wishing I could see more energetic efforts being made by the SPCA to find good homes for those in their care.

I found the shelters to be very different from what I would have expected from an organisation that professes to "speak for those who cannot speak for themselves". Added to this, I became aware of instances of the SPCA’s inadequate response to horses in need.

I had always been a faithful supporter of the SPCA but stopped my donations as a result of my observations and experiences.

When kindly donors make a contribution to your organization, they imagine that they are helping to achieve the goals mentioned earlier in this letter – not that it will be frittered away in a completely unnecessary lawsuit which will not help animals at all. Indeed it would be a lawsuit which would deprive animals of money, time and efforts that are being used for their benefit right now.

I hope to hear from you assuring me that you will not take any legal action against Animal Advocates, a small group totally dedicated to fighting animal cruelty and to helping these victims of abuse and neglect. I look forward to your reply.

Yours truly,

Patricia Oswald
Vancouver

The President and Board of the BC SPCA

I have been a volunteer at the SPCA for many years - was always happy to be one, and given the right conditions and circumstances would not hesitate to volunteer again.

I have also volunteered extensively for the District of North Vancouver Animal Shelter, and always offered my time, money and expertise to numerous Advocacy and Rescue groups. I am only prefacing with the above facts, to show that I am an impartial observer to all that has recently transpired between AAS [Animal Advocates Society] and the SPCA. That being said, I feel that certain issues about this "acrimony" need to be addressed.

I liken the latest attempt by the SPCA to an act of bullying, with no noble intentions. The ulterior motive here seems to be diverting AAS efforts from advocacy to defense, hence causing them financial hardship and loss of time.

In the meanwhile, what is ironic is that the SPCA's latest action has adverse effects on their own organization because, as they would undoubtedly know in all the wisdom they have acquired with many years in the business:

there is no chance of an SPCA victory at the end of this;
taking on the little guy makes them lose the remaining friends and supporters they have;
it airs all their so-called "dirty laundry" in the public forum;
based on previous history between the two organizations - and their attempts at litigation twice before - this will never go to court and will give the SPCA nothing but bad publicity, which at a time that staying under the radar would have been prudent, is the last thing they need.

I suspect the advice the board of directors of the SPCA are getting is less than sound. We all know that financial resources are limited, expertise and know-how are hard to come by, and that no organization is perfect, especially concerning passionate causes such as animal welfare. Even though one would have expected that a long-standing organization such as the SPCA would have learned to take criticism, and to co-exist with advocacy groups, this incident has regrettably made it apparent they have not. It should be noted here that some name calling by AAS has taken place that should not have, and some of the remarks may have been out of place; but time has shown that in essence, what has been claimed by AAS is true. Contesting that - in open forum - is opening a can of worms for the SPCA.

One would have wished that the BoD and the management of the SPCA had handled this in a more mature way, taken some of the advice given, and moved on with even more strength, knowledge and dignity than before. That level of maturity would have prevented the depletion of the resources that are supposed to benefit the homeless animals of our province. Please let's all, as animal lovers, put aside our human pettiness and really "speak for those who cannot speak for themselves".

Sincerely,

Ali Yazman
North Vancouver

June 2005
Dear sir or madam

As a frequent financial supporter of both animal welfare groups, I believe the current lawsuit by the SPCA against Animal Advocates is a waste of valuable resources that should be going toward animal protection instead of litigation.

Both the SPCA and Animal Advocates were set up to do very important work on behalf of those that cannot speak for themselves, and I am very hopeful that the SPCA will soon refocus its resources to this hugely important mission.

I therefore respectfully request that the SPCA discontinue the lawsuit against Animal Advocates and put the money saved toward animal welfare.

Until I feel confident that my money will go toward animal welfare, and not to lawsuits, I will not be making any more donations to the SPCA.

Yours sincerely and very hopefully

Colin MacKay
North Vancouver

Dear SPCA Board members,

I am writing to you out of concern and frustration over the lawsuit which you have started against Animal Advocates Society. Is this a privately funded lawsuit on your part? Or do you have a special fund set aside called the "Lawsuit Fund", so that donors know where so much of their money is going?

Because, if not, you must be using donated funds that people assume are going to the animals to fight this ridiculous battle. I call it a ridiculous battle for several reasons.

If what AAS and the larger group of people who support AAS is not true, then why do you not ever offer to show us proof that we are in the wrong?
If you care about the welfare of animals, why are you not open to constructive criticism? Or any criticism, for that matter.
Why do you often fail to do the absolute MINIMUM in animal care - spay/neuter, vaccinations, spay/neuter education, decent housing? You say that you can't afford to do these things, yet you always have money for the lawsuit, for the salaries, etc.

What on earth is your reasoning?

Time and again, I hear of the large sums of money that get donated to the SPCA, and it chokes me right up to know that a lot of that money is being wasted in the attempt to silence your critics.

It will not ever work. After each choke, I emerge with a clearer voice, and I will never stop working to push you into being the organization you were meant, I believe, to be. Or until you just get out of town; I really don't care anymore, which.

It might interest you to know that of the many people I have encountered who are disenchanted with the SPCA, not one of them became disillusioned because of AAS. It has, in every case, been because of their own experiences with the SPCA, or the experience of someone very close to them. It seems you are your own worst enemy.

Lyn MacDonald
Salt Spring, BC

June 2005
To: The Board of Directors, BC SPCA

I read a good quote recently that said the BC SPCA does not prevent cruelty to animals but rather prevents kindness to animals with its actions or lack thereof - sadly, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly.

This organization has allowed neglect, abuse and cruelty to animals; pet overpopulation; unethical and "mill" breeding practices (even among its own employees); to remain the norm for decades without addressing these issues, setting the standard for constant improvement and either properly enforcing existing legislation or proposing and aggressively pursuing stiffer legislation. The BC SPCA seems to favour "easy wins" that garner media attention and keep up a false front in the eyes of the uninformed public. Their compassion and dedication goes no deeper than a few trite words quoted to some obviously biased or lazy reporter in a local paper who doesn't bother to dig any deeper.

We want them to actually do their jobs. We want them to report honestly and accurately to the people in the communities who pay their salaries and provide donations, naively assuming these go the welfare of those animals we have entrusted to their care.

Large salaries and perks associated with upper management are for people who have worked hard and earned their place in an organization by following and constantly improving the guidelines, raising the bar on expectations, and continuously working to improve the delivery of service to their clients (that would be the animals). This is how things work in the "real" business world - this is not what the well-paid employees of the BC SPCA have done.

Not one member of the BC SPCA can work at any of the shelters or in any level of management of this organization that we see today and claim that they re doing a "good job". Any effort to reform and update their practices only indicates that they are finally starting to listen to the public and to pay attention to what the animal rescue groups have been saying for years.

The animals are suffering and you are not helping them fast enough - DO NOT allow this to continue.

1. Identify and prosecute offenders of cruelty against animals. Make these issues public and the public will support you. Do your job - use the powers you have under the Provincial Cruelty Act and Criminal Code of Canada; use your profile to lobby for stiffer laws and stricter penalties - again, the public WILL support you.

2. Stop the puppy and kitten (gerbil, hamster, rabbit, etc.) mill breeders - track them down and put a stop to their businesses. Everybody but you seems to know where they are and how appalling the conditions are for every animal. Open any newspaper, local or otherwise, to the pet classified ads and track down each phone number of every pet ad and investigate - few if any responsible breeders will advertise in the newspaper. Establish acceptable Provincial breeding practices and ENFORCE THEM.

3. Stop pet stores from selling live animals. This is absolutely criminal - there are more than enough unwanted animals in this world without allowing and even encouraging this practice to continue. There are more than enough pet products and services to sell without needing to sell animals to earn a living. Why have there, at least, been no Provincial health care and adoption guidelines established for pet stores selling animals, including those selling exotics? The SPCA is the Provincial body responsible for the welfare of all animals in this Province.

4. All SPCA employees who are involved in any way with breeding and/or selling animals represent a clear and direct conflict of interest - they should immediately be identified and fired. The fact that such employees do actually exist in this organization is a frightening reminder of how far off the mark the BC SPCA has fallen.

5. Stop the abuse of chained dogs. Put your money where you mouth is and do something about this abhorrent practice. Listen to the public who pays your salary, investigate their reports and do something decisive about the problem. Some food, some water and some shelter is not enough for any living creature. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that any one of us actually believes this is an acceptable standard of care - the fact that the organization charged with upholding our animal welfare believes this is acceptable is, once again, frightening.

6. Quit intimidating and lashing out at rescue groups and individuals and work with them. They have excellent experience (thanks, unfortunately, to you), progressive ideas and, very clearly, only the welfare of the animals at heart - there is no financial gain involved in their pursuits. Most don't have large salaries and don't care about perks and benefits when it comes down to that and to the life of an animal in distress. Listen to these people, work with them and learn from them - they don't want to have to do what they do - they want you to do it properly, and then they will help you.

I live and run a profitable business in BC, I am a member of the voting, tax-paying public and I do not like what I see. I want changes made and I want them made quickly. I want the BC SPCA to stand behind it's motto and to be the organization it is well paid to be and to live up to the expectations of the public. I am not alone in this, and I am waiting to hear what you are going to do. I and every other member of the public will not be satisfied until meaningful changes have been made and positive results have been achieved.

Valerie Barry
North Vancouver

To: board@spca.bc.ca
Cc: cdaniell@spca.bc.ca ; animaladvocates@telus.net
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: lawsuit

I would like to know if the SPCA is continuing with plans to bring legal action against Animal Advocates.

I continue to be a supporter of BCSPCA -- monthly donations, annual donation for return address stickers, poster in my classroom to promote animal welfare to students -- but I would be appalled to find out that even a little of that money was being used to prosecute another organization (whom I also support) who, like yourself, is helping animals.

There is a limited amount of money that people are willing or able to give for the cause of animal welfare. It would be a dreadful shame to see any of that money wasted on a frivolous legal challenge.

I await your response.

Kevin Murawsky
Vancouver

October 2005
Gentlemen & Ladies:

I write to you as a concerned animal lover who is not interested in politics, but am anxious that the animals in our society who need help get it to the greatest extent that is possible. I understand that the SPCA has initiated a lawsuit against Animal Advocates that is draining the resources of Animal Advocates and must be diverting at least some SPCA resources away from its primary focus, animal welfare.

From my limited understanding of the issues at play here, the SPCA may well be disturbed by the criticism of its policies and behaviour. This, however, does not seem to me to be a valid reason to direct substantial resources away from the care and support of animals. Surely if your policies and practices are sound and overall humane, they will be recognized as such if public attention is focused on them.

It is distressing to me that it appears that two worthy groups are being distracted from their purpose by what appears to be inter-personal human animosity. Surely we can rise above that in our common interest of animal welfare.

While I have adopted several wonderful dogs from the SPCA over the past 30 years, and have supported the SPCA activities, I find that I can no longer do that while this apparently senseless legal activity is consuming SPCA funds. I ask that you either publicly clarify how the SPCA has been inappropriately wronged, or drop the matter against Animal Advocates. In the meantime I find myself unable to support your organization financially, and will express that view to my friends and associates if asked.

This email has been sent on the request of Animal Advocates, but I assure you it represents my feelings perfectly. Please, for the sake of the animals, accept that there is room in our society for differing opinions, and take the high road for the benefit of all concerned.

Sincerely,

Bob Witzel
North Vancouver

October 2005
To the President and the Board of Directors of BC SPCA,

I would like to ask you to stop your legal action against the Animal Advocates Society. Whichever side wins it, the innocent and helpless animals will always be the actual losers. The money wasted on lawyers and courts should go toward their care.

In the past I have made donations to BC SPCA but, frankly, I could not do it again with clear conscience. Humanitarian organizations ought to engage in humanitarian acts, not lawsuits against other similar bodies. Once again, please reconsider your position.

Sincerely yours,

Mariusz T. Wesolowski, M.A.
North Vancouver, BC

October 2005
Dear Sirs and Mesdames:

I am writing to ask that you please reconsider your lawsuit against Animal Advocates Society of B.C. Until recently, I and my extended family have long been supporters of the SPCA and Animal Advocates Society of BC. We have reluctantly withdrawn all support because we do not want our money wasted on legal fees. We want our money to make a difference to the quality of life of animals.

The welfare of animals is the priority; and anything that detracts from that is a complete and utter waste of valuable time and money; and will only ensure that the suffering of animals drags on needlessly.

Yours faithfully,

Judith Seedhouse
Burnaby, BC

October 2005

Why are you doing this? Do you honestly think that Judy Stone as the power or money to do you, the BCSPCA any damage? Come on, you're the SPCA, people will always donate to you. I bet the only people who know about this suit are the regular donors to the AAS.

I used to donate until the CEO's salary and perks were revealed, but then that's not unusual, most charity CEO's, directors et al make more money then they should, money I personally don't think they earn. I adopted my dog from the Burnaby SPCA and I've never looked back, Maxine is amazing - she is part of the family. I'd like to share a story with you as to why in addition to the salary issue I stopped donating to the SPCA.

About 6 years ago I called the SPCA to remove a puppy from a home because it was chained 24 hours a day 7 days a week with inadequate shelter, food & water. When an agent went to the home to view my claim I was told there was nothing the SPCA could do because there was shelter, food & water and it's not up to the SPCA to ensure dogs are walked and allowed in the home. The shelter: a 3 sided wooden crate, the food: old & moldy, would not be given fresh food everyday until the old was eaten, the pup ate more of it's own feces then it did the food, the water: as long as it rained the pup had water.

When the agent told me that there was nothing the SPCA could do I took matters into my own hands. I approached the owner offered $150 and removed the dog myself - these people have not replaced the dog and they won't so long as I am their neighbour.

I am asking you to please drop this suit against AAS and spend the money wisely. Perhaps towards the proper rescue of animals, change your policies so that dogs like the one I rescued have a chance when someone calls the SPCA, wasn't there a request for donations for spaying & neutering van, why not use the money for that instead of lawyers?

I don't expect a response but I do expect you to read my concern.

Thank you,

Nicole Darling

October 2005
The President & Board of Directors

Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals...How many times did I donate to your organization, secure in the understanding that you were acting solely on behalf of the animals?

Now, it is my understanding that you have a lawsuit against ANIMAL ADVOCATES, an organization that has proven its compassion in the past several years. Shame on you!

When an individual donates to your organization, it is expected that the money will be used for animal welfare, as the donor intended, and certainly not used to conduct a witch hunt against a non-profit relatively small organization that is working diligently and successfully to prevent cruelty to animals. Their record, to date, is impressive.

For the sake of thousands of animals requiring your help, drop this ridiculous law suit and focus on what the founding of the SPCA intended . . . Helping animals in distress! Not initiating frivolous law suits.

Since this letter is addressed to the President and Board of Directors, I fully expect each individual to receive either a copy or have access to its contents.

I will look forward to a reply to this letter outlining the reasons for your initiating such an action.

Sincerely,

Margaret C. Selinger
Burnaby, BC

October 2005
The President & Board of Directors

I would like to take this opportunity to ask you a few questions regarding the valuable work your team does for wonderful animals. I recently attended your Paws for a Cause walk with my sister which was held on September 11th, 2005. Together we raised approximately $200 as well as donated over $300 to a few animals which were in need of emergency care. My family and I also co-sponsored a beautiful dog to help him live a better life. I would like to know how the money, we as individuals donate to the SPCA is used towards animals. Basically how much of it goes to them and how much if any, is used as miscellaneous expense.

I would also like to know how you tend to animals and help in terms of health and safety. My experience with the SPCA has not really been very pleasant due to a phone call I once had with a member of your organization. I saw a dog who was off leash running around in a parking lot. I tried to get closer to it to see if there was a tag on him but did not notice anything. My first reaction was to call you to see if I could get any help. When I explained the situation and asked for help so the dog does not get hit by a car and possibly become hurt, the woman replied with "I'm sorry ma'am, I can't help you because we're almost closing. The only way we would help you is if the animal was in danger or hurt, not if they're running around." Now let's ask a question about her reply. What did she mean by not being able to help me? Well the animal was going to possibly get hit by a car if no one helped him. Basically she said we have to wait and see if someone will "kill" him then I can call the road kill line to come clean up the mess!! How inappropriate was her response. Is that where our donation goes to?

That is one of my concerns and my other concern, and I believe its my main concern for this email is that recently I was distressed to learn that the SPCA is engaged in a lawsuit against Animal Advocates. I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to do and say for the animals with this lawsuit action against Animal Advocates and other small animal rescue organizations. Despite the differences between your organizations in philosophy we are all here to care for the animals, not fight costly lawsuits. I may not know the whole story behind this lawsuit but I have done research and this is why I am writing to you, hoping to get some answers to my concerns. I hate to think that all the money the caring people are donating to your organization is being wasted on a lawsuit. Money spent on lawyers will never help the SPCA the way it could if it was spent on the animals. If the points I have made are true, I urge you, SPCA, to stop silencing animals by killing them and to stop spending the animals money to silence anyone who objects and questions your ways.

I hope you see my point and respond. If the SPCA is here to help abused and endangered animals and this is how the staff and your organization is responding and spending donations money, how would we then really feel about contributing to the cause?! I appreciate you reading this email and I would like to thank you for your time. Please respond when appropriate.

Sara Salehie
Richmond, B.C.

October 2005
President and Board of Directors of BC SPCA

I was formerly an SPCA supporter, until I became a volunteer dog-walker for a few years at the North Van shelter in the late ‘80s. I was appalled at the indifference shown as regards the conditions for the cats and dogs and the unfeeling attitude of the tyrant who ran the shelter at that time. I am very pleased that the District of North Van took over management of that shelter and it is now a much more humane operation. I do, however, support the SPCA Biscuit Fund, where 100% of donations go to medical care of injured animals and none is funneled off into the salaries of SPCA executives.

I also support the Animal Advocates Society, a very caring group of dedicated volunteers, who only have the best interests of the animals at heart. But I am most concerned that the AAS is being sued by the mighty SPCA. Your big-budget Society, with all the donation funds at its disposal, is trying to wipe out a small, low-financed volunteer group trying to help animals. You SPCA bullies should be ashamed of yourselves. Drop this lawsuit and put your efforts and funds towards the cause for which we animal lovers are all fighting, the welfare of animals!

Please make sure all members of the Board of Directors receive a copy of my letter.

Sincerely,

Mrs. D. de la Mare
North Vancouver

Dear Directors & CEO,

We have lived in Vancouver and are now Victoria residents. As you well know, your organization's dog assessment test has been negatively reviewed by major newspapers and periodicals in both cities. Indeed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the test is skewed towards failure once the procedure is explained by an objective reporter.

My family and friends are animal lovers who, at one point in the past, donated to the SPCA every year. Your dog assessment test outraged and infuriated all of us to the point where you haven't received a thin dime since its inception and have been removed from family member's wills. (!)

We can't believe we are the only people who feel this way - a calculated animal control tactic is not an animal welfare strategy. As professionals and business people may we suggest that the SPCA may be reaching the law of diminishing returns - the money you receive for euthanizing animals may not be replacing the money you are losing from ex-supporters who are disgusted by a short-sighted business plan that distorts and destroys the very mission your organization was founded upon.

We now hear that the SPCA is pursuing legal avenues to stop further revelations from becoming public knowledge. It is very saddening to realize that you are using monies from general revenues to fund this reactionary tactic - rather than facing the fact that you need to review your policies, re-establish your mission and root out the fiscal rationalizations that have, apparently, turned your organization upside down.

We may be pointing out the obvious here, but public relations crisis management is founded on dealing with the instituting problem within the organization directly, not denying or lying to the public, not attempting to muzzle detractors, and spending time and energy publicizing the positive changes the organization is experiencing from correcting the problem.

You can't begin to win until you step up and admit you've made a mistake... then correct that mistake. Revamp your dog assessment test in a major way then tell the public about it.

Sincerely,

Dianna Statham, family and friends
Victoria, BC

October 2005
The President and Board of Directors of the BC SPCA
Re: Comments from a Former Financial Donor.
Please circulate to all BC SPCA Board Members.

I have donated money to the BC SPCA in the past. Sadly, I no longer feel morally justified in supporting an organization that does not place animal welfare before all other considerations. In particular, I am referring to the defamation lawsuit against Animal Advocates Society. How much public money, I wonder, is being spent on this action when it could be spent on improving the lives of animals?

Reliable, well-documented evidence of questionable operating policies and decision making within your organization should not be a case for a defamation lawsuit. The controversy around the dog, Cheech, is one good example. It is when my personal trust in the BC SPCA began to founder.

In a democratic society there are always critics, just or unjust, especially of organizations spending public money. Governments continually come under criticism for decisions made in the way the country is run and how our monies are spent. They do not turn around and sue the public and media for blowing the whistle on perceived or true questionable activities. As a publicly accountable body the BC SPCA is no different.

Instead of suing Animal Advocates to show you are in the right and they are in the wrong, a better response would be to examine each and every allegation at the board level and address them honestly – admitting policy changes are necessary, or rejecting (with factual evidence) if the allegations are false. In short, correcting perceived or true deficiencies within your organization to the benefit of the animals you are mandated to protect. This kind of mature, self appraisal would go a long way toward improving the image of the BC SPCA and winning back supporters like myself who have lost faith. I personally know of many people who feel this way.

I know your organization does good work – I have been consistently impressed by the animal protection and rescue work documented in your excellent news magazine. Please let me read soon that you are taking the high road by dropping all proceedings against Animal Advocates and concentrating on the reasons behind the SPCA being defamed in the first place – ie. operational policies that are fundamentally opposed to your mandate as protectors of society’s animal victims.

Yours truly,

Patricia Mason
Kevin Bell
North Vancouver, BC

November 2005
To the Board of the BC SPCA

I used to be a supporter of the SPCA, but stopped some time ago when I asked for some help with an abandoned cat and kittens, and was told essentially that since it was really frightened and the kittens were semi-wild you would put them down. Another group did help this cat and kittens and so I switched my donations to them.

I also was very upset to learn that one of the managers was making over $200,000 a year when the SPCA told me it didn’t have enough money to help.

I had begun to hope that the SPCA was improving and then I learned that you are suing Animal Advocates, and that is the final straw for me! I don’t know why this outrage has not been in the media, but I am going to offer my help to Animal Advocates to hold a demonstration in front of your offices with the media invited. I have a large network of animal loving friends who I know will be glad to come as most of them have had very negative experiences with you too; one of them you killed her cat before she had a chance to find it. Another was told to pay a large sum of money up front for her sick cat by your hospital or too bad, so she took her cat to a regular vet who charged her less and let her pay in two cheques. There are a lot of people very angry at the SPCA after so many years of this who will be very glad of the chance to say so in the media

Yours truly,

Sharon Matthews
Vancouver, BC

November 2005
Dear Mr. Daniell and Board Members,

As an animal rights advocate and activist I am greatly disturbed by your impending lawsuit against Animal Advocates. While I understand that Judy Stone has spoken out frequently against the SPCA policies and practices, I am at a loss to understand what you hope will be achieved by this lawsuit. Animal Advocates is one of a very small number of animal rights groups that are desperately trying to stem the tide of rampant animal abuse in this province. Impeding her ability to do so by forcing her to use valuable time and resources to fight your lawsuit makes me question how committed the SPCA is to stopping animal abuse. Is fighting animal abuse your main objective or is polishing your image of greater concern?

I understand you are angered and frustrated by Judy's public criticism of you but to go to the this level to punish her is counterproductive from an animal rights objective. I have just recently donated to the SPCA as a result of your organization finally taking a stand against the Cloverdale Rodeo. I am a monthly contributor to many animal rights organizations and a frequent contributor to many others. I do not however want my hard earned money going to pay for lawyers fees for one animal rights organization to sue another, for whatever the reason. Therefore I will not be donating to the SPCA again as long as you persist in your lawsuit against Animal Advocates. I am very active in the animal rights community in Vancouver and many of my colleagues also contribute to the SPCA. I will be discussing this issue with them and encouraging them to stop donating to you as well.

Contributors to the SPCA are animal lovers and will not want their donations used to financially hurt other animal lovers and prevent them from helping rescue abused animals. This lawsuit is going to do you far more harm then good. You would be wise to drop it and settle your differences with Judy outside the courtroom. The only ones who will benefit from this silliness is the lawyers.

Sincerely,

Janet Olson
Surrey, BC

November 2005
Dear President & Members of the Board,

We are sending this email requesting that you withdraw the lawsuit against Animal Advocates, its Directors and President Judy Stone. We find it difficult to believe that the S.P.C.A. Directors would use their resources, be it public donations, staff involvement or just the time & attention of the Board, to disable an organization that has steadfastly & relentlessly devoted itself to easing the suffering of animals. We ask you to use those resources as they are meant to be used, to help animals. A lawsuit is not necessarily a tool of justice but often used as a strategic tool to intimidate & silence. What a sad state of affairs if this is so. Please let reason prevail & drop the lawsuit against. We do not want any of our regular donations to the S.P.C.A. used in this manner. We speak also for a number of our concerned friends who give annually to your organization. We respectfully request that all Board members read this email

Ms L Turner
Ms June Price
Coquitlam, BC

December 2005
Dear Members of the Board,

I am writing in hopes of encouraging the BCSPCA Board of Directos to drop their lawsuit against Animal Advocates, its Directors and President Judy Stone.

I find it difficult to believe that the SPCA Directors would use their resources, be it public donations, staff involvement, or just the time and attention of the Board, to disable an organization that has steadfastly and relentlessly devoted itself to easing the suffering of animals. I ask you to use those resources as they are meant to be use: to help animals.

We ourselves adopted a rescued dog from Animal Advocates and she's been with us for 5 years now. She's a lovely and happy dog whose life is 1000 times better than what she had before she was rescued. She was chained 24/7 outside from the age of 6 weeks to 9 months and the SPCA refused to do anything. She lived in her own feces and was forced to pick through her owners' garbage bags for food.

Judy Stone and the volunteers at Animal Advocates care so deeply about the animals they rescue. They do it not for themselves, nor for money, but purely for the sakes of the suffering animals. Why would the SPCA want to hurt an organization that only "helps those who can't help themselves"? This is the SPCA's slogan isn't it?

A lawsuit is not necessarily a tool of justice but often is used as a strategic tool to intimidate and silence. What a sad state o affairs this is so. Please let reason prevail and drop the lawsuit against AAS.

Sincerely,

Karen McCullough
Edmonton AB
formerly of Vancouver (just moved June 2005)

December 2005
To the President and the Board of Directors of the B.C. SPCA,

I am writing to express my sincere request that the Supreme Court defamation action against Judy Stone and the Animal Advocates Society of British Columbia be withdrawn. For many years my husband and I have supported the S.P.C.A. and have met many fine people in the organization. Always, our main purpose in supporting all animal welfare work has been to end suffering and improve basic living conditions for animals. Surely we all share those goals and want all the money donated from hard-working British Columbians to go directly to that outreach.

We cherish our wonderful husky-cross dog, Storm, adopted by our son from the Richmond SPCA in 1995. I am very grateful to the many people who donated their time and money to ensuring that Storm and so many animals like him have been given the opportunity to love and be loved by their human families. Storm has seen our family through some very sad and challenging times. Please drop the suit. Let us all focus all our resources on helping the animals.

Sincerely,

Louise Lindsay
Vancouver, BC

December 2005
To the President and all the Members of the Board,

I am writing you this email to urgently ask you to drop the law suit against Animal Advocates. I have rescued many dogs in the past and my concern for the SPCA is that they use whatever funds for the betterment of animals, not for a "pissing contest" involving expensive law suits. I have been a supporter of the SPCA for many years, walked the dogs at West Vancouver's SPCA and have really wanted to believe and trust that the main issue of focus of the SPCA is the animals. But unfortunately, like many organizations that start initially with good intentions , they become weakened by "corporation mentality" and greed. Animal Advocates DO and have saved many animals from acts of cruelty and DO good work. Please dig deeply into your hearts and remember what this is all about.........giving a voice to creatures who are voiceless. Please drop this lawsuit and utilize the money for the animals.

Viktoria Langton
Vancouver, BC

July, 2005
Dear SPCA Board Members,

As someone very involved in Animal Welfare in Victoria I implore the Board of the BC SPCA to spend the money donated to help the animals in British Columbia to do honest Animal Welfare.

Spaying and neutering is a priority to me and it saddens me to see money wasted on a lawsuit to silence critics rather than on spay/neuter, education, emergency veterinary bills and other animal focused priorities.

Please reconsider your spending priorities and spend donors money as they intended.

The animals will appreciate it.

Carol Sonnex
Victoria

May 2005
Dear Mr. Daniell,

How much money has been spent on suing the Animal Advocates Society? Is the SPCA getting "pro bono" legal work?

With legal bills being up to $400 or $500 an hour, I dread to think what the bill will be! Going through all the posts must be consuming hours of lawyer's work. Maybe there'll be a mistake or two here and there, maybe there won't.

People send donations for the animals. There is no need to sue other animal groups when very little, if anything, can be gained.

Anybody who has read "Bleak House" will tell you just who gains from things like this and it's not the animals!

Jean Martin
Lantzville BC

Mary Lou Troman
President, SPCA
Vancouver, B.C.

Dear Ms. Troman

Please add my name to the long list of supporters for The Animal Advocates Society. I am disgusted that an organization such as yours wastes not only precious time, but irreplaceable monetary funds on trying to discredit societies such as Animal Advocates. Why are you not spending the donations given to you by trusting citizens on direct care for the needy animals? You should be working together with Animal Advocates to ensure the best care possible for ALL unfortunate and needy animals instead of fighting them with ridiculously expensive legal proceedings. Have you completely lost sight of the original reason behind the formation of the SPCA? Shame on all of you for mismanaging your mandate.

Mrs. Kathy Holley
North Vancouver

Dear Ms Troman,

I am sending this email to ask your board to reconsider the money it is spending on lawyers to deal with critics such as Animal Advocates.

It seems to be a extremely ill advised way of spending the money that animal lovers across B.C. have donated. Until recently I had been a monthly supporter of the SPCA for over a decade. To me that money was given for the benifit of the animals, not the organization itself.

Actions speak much louder than words and if the SPCA wants to defend itself it should be done by it's actions. There are laws that need to be enforced. There are new laws that are desperately needed. There are animals all across BC that need help. This is what the Society should be concentrating on not worrying about its critics. If the Society is doing it's job of Prevention of Cruelty of the hundreds of animals in BC then its' critics would be few and far between.

It would seem to me that at the core is the well being of animals and the one thing all animal groups have as a priority. It is also one that should be causing us to work together to make things better for the animals not wasting the the desperately needed funds which could benefit so many animals.

Jaye Murray
Surrey

July 2005
To the BC SPCA Board of Directors,

Again, I would like to state my disapproval of the lawsuit that the BC SPCA has against the Animal Advocates Society. I expressed my frustration at the last AGM in Prince George and I'd like to reiterate this feeling. I have not been convinced otherwise that this is not a SLAPP lawsuit. It is unfortunate that two organizations that are well-intentioned have become so entangled in this mess that animals are/will suffer because of it. As a long-time supporter of the SPCA, whether it be small, but consistent, monetary donations, or walking dogs, or selling tickets, I am angry that this money is being directed toward such a lawsuit, whether directly or indirectly. It is because of this that I have not donated in the past few months. I recall from the AGM that one of the justifications of this lawsuit was because of 'slanderous' comments made by the AAS that is apparently costing the SPCA in terms of lost donations. My reason for not donating is because of the lawsuit. Not because of what was said on the AAS website. I do not believe lines have been crossed in terms of what has been said - how does one define what is/isn't slanderous? And how do we prove the supposed financial loss? We all have differing opinions on this. Needless to say, it's freedom of speech is a right that we all share and organizations should not be silenced because others disagree.

I hope for the sake of the SPCA, the Animal Advocates Society, my faith in large organizations, and for abused and neglected animals in BC, that this is resolved outside of the courts and in good faith.

Sincerely,

Shiloh Durkee
Prince George, BC

July 2005
Dear President, Board and C. Daniell,

I have been able to follow a few things about your law suit and your raids against Animal Advocates and other rescue groups, and I must say that I am puzzled as to how several different countries can get together to save a whale, oil covered birds, counties and agencies band together to save an animal trapped in a pipe under a street and on and on, yet the SPCA here in BC seems to have a different set of priorities. You seem to be more interested in putting your efforts into skirmishes with organizations rather than organizing to help animals. The hundreds of thousands you are spending on lawyers would have helped thousands upon thousands of animals and given them better lives. You still place a value on dubious publicity above the actual helping of animals. I keep hoping you will change before thousands more animals have to live lives of torture, abuse, and abandonment.

I watch with interest the SPCA programs on the Animal Planet television channel and see the marvelous work they do. Those SPCA agencies I would not hesitate to donate to, for their work is what I had expected from the SPCA here. I had believed that all the branches had the same goal in mind…Animal's welfare. I now donate to the WWF, Service Dogs in Training, and other organizations as they show the importance of animals to our life cycle, their concern is not being the only organization, but one of a group working together for the animals.

I do see some slight changes, you still send me literature even though I had asked to be removed from your list. I personally need more than 'slight changes' though to be reassured that the BC SPCA is back on track, giving God's creatures the care they deserve. I know from personal experience that my animals were on the "death row" at the SPCA and for a few hundred dollars of medical care, they have lived long and much loved lives. I know that there is the argument that, "Well a few hundred times many adds up", yes I agree, but it still amounts to possibly just one week's pay each of some of the upper echelon who could well live very quite richly without it and therefore so could many more animals keep their lives. Many of us live very well on less than half the amount earned by senior personnel (I remember the scandalous amount published that one of your BC people was earning as centers were closing or not being maintained properly) yet we are able to work together to help God’s creatures.

Thankfully our Lord has always opened Heaven's gates to His creatures and according to His words in the bible, they will not remember what was done to them here but will live with Him and be loved eternally. I hope to run a small sanctuary when I am able to retire, and I hope not to tangle with the BC SPCA, but God is in control and the future is not mine to see.

Thankfully God has given a heart for animals to many like WWF, Service Dogs, AAS, and the courage to individuals to speak out to/about others who are forcing the organizations who aren't keeping their priorities in reality as claimed in written and vocal words...to bring them into line and to look into the eyes of His creatures and see their own actions and judge themselves....and change....for the creatures they claim are important, even if only because their darkness is now brought to light in this modern age of communication.......

Fran O'Dell
Surrey, BC

July 2005

I wish there was a different reason for writing, but having followed the work of Judy Stone and Animal Advocate Society,

I am perplexed that the SPCA is using donations to bring a lawsuit against a group of dedicated, *really* dedicated, animal rescuers!

The legal means to do so seems to be in place with this out-dated anti-SLAPP law, but if common sense were at play, someone at the SPCA would call the lawsuit off.

The SPCA has all of the financial backing behind them and no legal barriers to taking Judy and her group to court. It does certainly have a sense of mean-spiritedness to it. Or possibly worse.

The AAS works through sheer determination to bring about a positive result for many animals.

Is NOT that in the end, what both groups should be about, what they should be directing their attention to, for the animals in distress?

Anything else is sadly, sadly, shameful.

Please have someone in your many departments focus on this problem. Please.

Sincerely,

Diane Liedtke
Victoria

July 2005

We have been making a monthly donation for some time to the S.P.C.A. in the hopes of helping animals. I also contribute, when I can, to Animal Advocates Society of B.C. and to PETA. In light of the S.P.C.A.'s current vendetta toward Animal Advocates, I am cancelling my monthly donations to your organization. I do not want monies I intended to help sick, abused, injured and abandoned animals used for senseless lawsuits or any other reason. I no longer feel sure that the S.P.C.A. is a compassionate organization whose main concern is for animals. It saddens me to say so. I intend to give my support instead to Animal Advocates Society and I hope you will remember what S.P.C.A. stands for: the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. I sincerely hope that things change for the better and the S.P.C.A. can work in harmony with other groups for the betterment of the lives of animals. This lawsuit, such a tragic waste of much-needed funds, must be dropped.

Kendra A. Shelle
Joseph A. Shelle
Langley, B.C.

October 2005
President and Board of Directors, BC SPCA.

I have heard criticism during the last several years re your organization such as top heavy administration, excessive salaries, destruction of healthy animals to name a few examples. I am also offended that you would even consider taking legal action against a group that is solely there for needy animals. The donations you receive should be exclusively for animal welfare not for law suits or fat salaries. I did have the SPCA included as a beneficiary in my will but that has now be cancelled.

Peter Jolly
Sechelt

October 2005
Dear President and Board members,

I am writing to you in the hope that the SPCA will consider dropping the on going lawsuit with Animal Advocates. This group are only making known the facts that should have been public knowledge all along. My personal reasoning for donating to Animal Advocates is due to the education I gained from researching what my donations to the SPCA were being used for. I will not be party to the euthanizing of healthy pets or a group of people who advocate dogs being kept chained up in back yards. My personal experience on this subject matter was shock when my daughter reported this to be the case and all the SPCA said was "If the animal has water and food then there is nothing we will do" So a dog remained on a short chain 24/7 until she did something about it. Shame on you to refer yourselves as an 'Animal Welfare' organization.

I would sincerely hope a copy of this email be given to each and every one of the Board members. It is about time the SPCA re direct the money being used for this law suit to the cause it was intended for - the care and welfare of animals!

Sincerely,

Linda Lee
Port Coquitlam, B.C.

October 2005

It has always been my understanding that 'SPCA" means "The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals" and I cannot understand why an organization such as this is not working hand-in-hand with Animal Advocates.

"In January, 2005 we contacted Animal Advocates and had the good fortune to adopt a dog from the organization. Having lived in deplorable conditions for many years he was finally rescued and boarded at a cost of $500 per month in sanitary, warm condtions, 'socialized,' checked by a vet and given all necessary shots, with the result that we obtained the most loving, gentle pet we have ever had. Compare this treatment to what we witnessed at the Burnaby SPCA where dogs were penned and with winter months approaching, will, I am certain, suffer from the cold weather.

"I fail to understand what the SPCA would find so objectionable in this kind of treatment of animals. Animal Advocates' primary concern is the well being of animals.

I have recently learned that the BC SPCA has started an action for defamation in Supreme Court against Animal Advocates at a possible cost of $300,000. The question arises as to where the BC SPCA intends to raise this exorbitant fee to cover court costs. Are they planning to advise the public of the need for donations to cover court costs, or do they plan to utilize donations already allocated for the care of animals. I'm certain the general public would strongly object to their donations being used for any other purpose than the CARE OF ANIMALS."

Mary Turkington
Burnaby, BC

October 2005,
The President and Board of Directors of the BC SPCA
1245 East 7th Avenue
Vancouver, BC
V5Y 1R1

Dear President and Board Members,

As a past SPCA member and supporter I am writing to you to express my concern over your decision sue Animal Advocates Society. A decision that is surely costing the SPCA a great deal of money and may, potentially, destroy AAS and the wonderful work they do on behalf of animals.

I would like you to know why I withdrew my support from the SPCA and transferred it to Animal Advocates. You may be surprised to know it was not anything to do with AAS it was to do with my desire to adopt an older, mixed breed dog, preferable a Roti/Shepherd about three years ago. After being told I could not adopt the dog I fell in love with at the Vancouver shelter as he had a rotator cuff injury and was "not adoptable" and when my offer to pay for his surgery was ignored and my calls to follow up were also ignored, I contacted several other rescue organizations. Judy Stone responded with news of a dog desperate for a home that had been in foster care for five months. Adoption was not an easy process, there was a lengthy application, a home visit, a park visit and a couple of "sleep overs" before, finally, I was accepted as a suitable companion for this wonderful dog who is my best friend.

I continued to support the SPCA after adopting my dog from AAS but, some time later, after being bluntly told by an SPCA staff member that there was nothing they could do for a dog chained and mistreated in my neighbourhood – including, at the minimum, to come out to check on him, I decided to support AAS.

I support AAS for their campaign to prohibit chained dogs, their advocacy of control of breeding by-laws, their databases of backyard breeders, puppy mills and puppy resellers and for: Alfie, Bernie, Betsey, Cassie, Braille, Annie, and my dear Chuck. I support them for their tireless unpaid work for and with animals and for their willingness to fight for them regardless of the consequences.

I would be more than pleased to support the SPCA again if this action you are taking against AAS was dropped and if, instead of using donated funds for this, the money was put into the kind of advocacy and rescue work that AAS does.

Please, please reconsider your position in this matter.

I would appreciate an acknowledgement of this letter with an assurance that all Board members received it.

Yours sincerely,

Maureen Gabriel North Vancouver

October 2005

It has come to my attention that you have started an action in the courts against Animal Advocates.

I am not a rich person but I do give as much as I can to BC SPCA and West Vancouver SPCA. In no way do any of us want our money to go to any court case – only to helping the animals.

Animal Advocates have done the job that you should have done.

As far as negative publicity, your organization shoots itself in the foot all the time. The massive payout to that Regional man – the terrible problems between you and your branches.

Please do not use any money – not $1.00 – to fight Animal Advocates. Yes – you have the money to do so, thanks to the public giving what they can to help animals, not to fight a group of people that we know are helping animals.

Animal Advocates are not given big bucks, any security, etc. They simply do what they do because they couldn’t sleep at night if they turned their backs on animals in need.

Please – please – drop this – let there be peace and only time left to help the animals.

Use our money to contribute to spay/neuter and so many other good things you could do on our behalf to help animals.

Sincerely,

Patricia Cowan
West Vancouver, BC

October 2005
The President and the Board of Directors

Dear Ms. Troman:

It has come to my attention that the SPCA has started legal action in the Supreme Court against Animal Advocates for defamation.

As a donor to the SPCA, I am saddened that you would use donor funds to support legal action instead of using those funds on animal welfare. I would like you to dismiss this lawsuit and focus on animal issues.

I would like a copy of this letter to be received by every member of the Board.

Yours sincerely,

Bruna Vince
West Vancouver, BC

October 2005
To the President and the entire Board of Directors of the BCSPCA;

We are speaking out in the hopes of encouraging the BCSPCA Board of Directors to drop their lawsuit against Animal Advocates, its Directors and President Judy Stone. I find it difficult to believe that the SPCA Directors would use their resources, be it public donations, staff involvement, or just the time and attention of the Board to disable an organization and its founder who has steadfastly and relentlessly devoted herself to easing the suffering of animals. Judy Stone did not start Animal Advocates as a way to find employment, to build her resume or to engage in superficial activities in an attempt to look good. Judy was driven by her compassion to rescue and save as many animals as she could from devastating and torturous existences.

It does appear that the BCSPCA Board of Directors is retaliating to AAS criticism of their organization by attempting to disable and bankrupt AAS. AAS President Judy Stone has been guilty of challenging, confronting and rallying the SPCA to do what it purports to do and that is defend all suffering animals that are brought to their attention. One would hope that Judy’s passion and commitment would encourage the SPCA to rise to the occasion not file a lawsuit. Judy Stone’s work with animals is admirable and should be acknowledged and praised.

It seems reasonable to us that if confronting widespread and pervasive animal neglect and abuse was one’s prime purpose then a variety of methods could be used to address criticisms and differences in order to improve the good works of all parties involved. A lawsuit is not necessarily a tool of justice but often is used as a strategic tool to intimidate and silence. What a sad state of affairs if this is so. Please let reason prevail and drop the lawsuit against AAS.

We eagerly await your response.

Gwendy Williams
Alfie Williams
Lynda Shephard
Gladys Hayre
Burnaby BC

Gail Seymour
Vancouver BC

October 2005
To the President and the Board of Directors of the SPCA,

Being extremely passionate about the treatment of animals we have been strong supports of the SPCA both financially and practically, threw the adoption of unwanted animals. We also support other animal welfare groups such as Animal Advocates. It is with great disappointment that we herein share our view of the current suit by SPCA against A.A. regarding allegations of defamation. It is at least ironic that one group professing a cause would act injuriously toward another with similar motives. (not necessarily the same mode of operation). We are simply very disappointed that the SPCA would utilize resources for such a fruitless endeavor when the animals are the rightful beneficiaries. One is judged and earns respect through their actions, which echo their integrity. The reputation of the SPCA will not be brought low by the words of A.A. or anyone else, but it will fall prey to its own egotistical intents. We suggest you return to the reason for your very existence, stop this further denigration of character, and earn the respect you profess right to. Please forward this letter to every member of the Board.

Sincerely,

Monika and Richard Auger
Burnaby, BC

November 2005

Dear BCSPCA,

Please drop your lawsuit against the Animal Advocates Society and other critics. If you can refute the statements made, then do it. If you can't, then change the way you do things. There are so many important ways to spend the money that this lawsuit is costing the BCSPCA.

Kimberley Brower
Vancouver

October 2005
The President & The Board of Directors of BC SPCA, Vancouver

I learn to my dismay that you are in a lawsuit against The Animal Advocates Society. Why wasn’t the general membership informed – after all, it is our money that is being wasted, instead of helping animals in need?

I take it that an expensive decision like a lawsuit has been discussed with the whole Board! I insist that every Board member receives a copy of this letter so that my voice, though small, is heard.

There has been a lot of talk about the lack of efficiency of BC SPCA, and a lawsuit certainly doesn’t help

Sincerely

Inge Kitchen
West Vancouver

November 2005
The Board of Directors
BC SPCA

Dear Sirs,

As a life-long supporter of the SPCA I am absolutely appalled to learn that you are contemplating initiating a lawsuit to the tune of $300,000 against Animal Advocates, a society which does nothing but good in rescuing animals from the clutches of the cruel brutes in our midst.

I recently wrote to our Prime Minister regarding the importation of cat and dog fur into this country and was told that there was no prohibition to this practice and that dog and cat fur MANUFACTURED IN THIS COUNTRY CAN BE OFFERED FOR SALE. Wouldn’t your time and money be better spent trying to abolish this barbaric practice. The mind cringes at the thought of how the cats and dogs are killed in the Orient to obtain their fur.

I have great admiration for anyone standing up for "those who cannot speak for themselves" but in good conscience I will not be able to continue to support an organization which can initiate this kind of litigation and waste of money.

Please ensure that my letter is circulated to all Board members.

Yours truly,

Rita G. Crosby
Charles S. Crosby
North Vancouver, BC

October 2005
To The President and Board Of Directors Of The S.P.C.A. and All Members Of The Board:

We have been financial supporters of The S.P.C.A. for many years, and have volunteered our services to the Vancouver Shelter, together with having also adopted 5 Shelter dogs over the years.

We supporters were disillusioned when the News Media disclosed the high salary plus the expense allowance the former President (Mr. Michael Weeks) was receiving. Now that the S.P.C.A. has been restructured, we were once again pleased to resume our support of the Association. However, it has come to our attention that the S.P.C.A. is once again wasting the supporters' money by launching a lawsuit against the Animal Advocates Association, - an action that is certain to cost thousands of donated dollars that was meant to be used for the betterment and the benefit of the animals in your care.

We hope and demand that you discontinue this unnecessary and ridiculous lawsuit, and that the S.P.C.A. get back to doing the work for which these donated monies were meant for!

Yours Faithfully,

(Mrs.) Ella Woodman
White Rock, BC

October 2005
The President and The Board of Directors of the BC SPCA

Dear Sir or Madam,

It has come to my attention that there is a court case pending since August 2004 on behalf of the BC SPCA against the Animal Advocates Society of BC and their President, Judy Stone.

To me, this is not right! It does not make sense! Because the Animal Advocates Society of BC and Judy Stone, they are doing a great job of animal rescue!

They give shelter to unwanted animals and mistreated ones.
They restore them back to health in every possible way.
Have them spayed and neutered.
And then they find compatible new homes for them.
They are not afraid to speak out for animal rights.

I highly commend the Animal Advocates Society and Judy Stone! We need people who give a voice to the animals, to those who cannot speak for themselves.

Why is the SPCA dragging them through this court case and thrusting them into worry.

We want the Animal Advocates Society of BC to stay in business, and we are asking the BC SPCA to drop the lawsuit and spend the money on animal welfare instead!

And it is absolutely imperative that each and every member of your Board receives a copy of this letter.

Thank you for your kind attention.

D. Schulz
North Vancouver, BC

November 2005

Sir:

SPCA: Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals; to me that has such a heart-warming ring. I like knowing that our society has recognized the value of protecting those that can't protect themselves; more than that, I contribute money to those groups actively ensuring that those needs are met.

Imagine my dismay upon learning that the BCSPCA has launched a lawsuit against The Animal Advocates Society of BC (AAS) for defamation of character. When I donate money to a cause I believe in I don't take kindly to thinking those funds are being used to launch lawsuits that I don't feel have any merit, other than to silence another party. The BCSPCA must be held accountable to the public and the public has the right to ask questions and receive answers.

In trying to find out more about this lawsuit, I took the liberty of perusing your web site. I did not see any where on there where you acknowledge this. This makes me ask just how many lawsuits against much smaller and less financially able societies and persons are you suing at this point? I should hope the answer is none, but if this one is left out I can't assume there are no others. I can imagine that if you did publicize this that would open you up to queries; but again you need to be in a position to answer for the actions that you take. I even took a cursory look at your posted financials to see if it was mentioned there. I must tell you that I don't think they read well.

I was surprised to learn that only 65% of all of your expenditures go to the operating of the shelters, wildlife centre and hospitals. Of the $18.5 million you had for fiscal 2004 that amounts to only $12 million. Allocation of capital to criminal investigations amounts to another 10%, or so. Does your lawsuit against AAS fall under this category? Dollar-wise, how much of your resources are you allotting for this lawsuit? I did notice under contingencies "A number of claims pending against the society for which no provision has been made..." How many claims? What for? Do any of these stem back to that debacle whereby management was giving themselves outrages salary increases? If I recall correctly the then board was fired over that one even though that board had no responsibilities in the remuneration of senior management. As to your current board, why do you not list the cv of its members? I for one would like to know what qualifications these members hold. But, I digress. To return to your financial statements, I was appalled to read of your mortgage indebtedness. To have your Duncan shelter mortgaged at 8.35% only to have been re mortgaged in April at 6.05% for two years and to see that the Victoria shelter took out a mortgage this year at 8% - perhaps I can introduce you to my banker. This past era of "cheap money" should have enabled you to do much better than that. I also noted that you hold a mortgage that you loaned out at 7%. Maybe you should have compared your offer against what you had taken out. It seems that you aren't doing all that well on your return on investments, either. I noted your cost and the current market value on the government and government backed securities. I'm assuming that these are debt instruments and that you are now locked in during a time of rising interest rates.

But I did not start this email to rant on the financial management of the BCSPCA. My concern is that you should spend the money that has been entrusted to you by the generous givers of this province to attack another group that has at its core the welfare of animals, just as you do. I believe that AAS along with other groups does the work that you have been mandated with but do not or cannot carry out, i.e., the rescue of animals in distress. The PCA Act defines an animal in distress if it is:

deprived of adequate food, water or shelter;
injured, sick, in pain or suffering; or
abused or neglected.

I have been made aware that a number of people called your organization reporting animals in distress, particularly dogs that are chained up and neglected. I think there is now a general acceptance that this is abuse. If you do venture to investigate, as is my understanding, you do nothing if the animal appears to fall under (a) above, disregarding the rest of the stipulations of the Act. It is left to these other groups to step in and rescue these poor creatures. From what I know people usually call them as a last resort as they have assumed that the BCSPCA would do what is right and seize the animal. Have you ever conducted an investigation into how many times you get reports about the same animal but do nothing? I'm sure that you must recognize that in order to do the work that is required of you that you must rely on the public to inform you of circumstances. Its a breach of the public's trust when you do not respond.

I did not start this email only to criticize; but it is through criticism that we learn where we are making mistakes and get ideas on how to correct them. Have you ever considered actively working with these other groups? It would make sense to invite all those that share your concerns to join together thereby creating a much stronger voice in defending, rescuing, and rehabilitating the animals and educating the public; as well as trying to get more "teeth" put into the legislation that protects them. I should think that it would be to your benefit to have members of other rescue organizations on your board, or to at least join with them in forming committees to carry out the work that is required. For the most part you have the facilities in place for this work. This would create much better transparency and a better accounting for members of the public.

You may note that in the past I donated to the BCSPCA but have not done so lately. A number of questions about your organization have been raised in my mind and so I choose to gift my money elsewhere at this time where I feel its being put to better use. Judging by your donation revenue, I venture that I am not alone.

Suing other rescue societies and persons at large makes me feel that the BCSPCA is not fulfilling its mandate. Openly answering any charges would be the correct way of demonstrating integrity. I do think that the BCSPCA still holds a lot of clout in the area of animal welfare and could better service the population. Regaining the respect of the public should be high on your "to-do" list. Gone are the days when the BCSPCA was the only voice speaking for the animals.

I recognize this is long and thank you for taking the time to read it. I hope that I get a response from yourself as well as the board. I would like to know that my concerns are being taken seriously.

Without prejudice,

Shawna Katan
Vancouver, BC

The President and All the Members of the Board:

It was brought to my attention that you the People who make many choices for the life or death of innocent animals have decided to go after another defender of animal rights. The Animal Advocates Society of B.C. From all that I have seen and read of the AAS is that they are people very concerned and dedicated to the way animals should be treated no matter what the situation or cost. I have been a supporter of the S.P.C.A. most of my life and I have always made a point to tell people to please donate to your local shelter any money or food to help. But now from what I hear and read that the money is most likely going for the court cost to silence the AAS for HELPING ANIMALS the way the S.P.C.A. should be doing in the first place. Please stop this law suit now and start working on a solution to really stop animal abuse.

Thank you

Marilyn White
Burnaby,B.C.

To President and to all members of the BC SPCA board:

I am appealing to you with regards to the lawsuit you have against Animal Advocates, its Directors and President and Judy Stone.

I find it difficult to believe that the SPCA Directors would use their resources, be it public donations, staff involvement, or just the time and attention of the Board required to disable an organization that has relentlessly devoted itself to easing the suffering of animals. The money the SPCA receives from trusting animal lovers is meant for animal welfare not to bully an organization which has already done so much for animals in desperate need of help.

I ask that you use those resources as they are meant to be used: to help animals!

Animal Advocates is an organization which truly helps suffering animals. Is this not the intention of the SPCA as well? It appears that the SPCA is utilizing this lawsuit not as a tool of justice but as a tool to intimidate and silence. I find this disheartening and disgusting. If the lawsuit is not stopped immediately I will no longer support the SPCA in any shape or form. And I will do anything in my power to let others know of this irresponsibility. Of that you can be sure.

I am appealing to you to end this unnecessary lawsuit now. It is a blatant waste of funds and resources.

Yvonne McLean
North Vancouver, BC

December 2005
To whom it may concern

Today is a sad day for me because I did what I never thought I wouldn't do but in good conscience I had to. I cancelled my monthly donation to the society after contributing for 22 years since our philosophies on caring for the sick and injured or mistreated animals are so far apart. I cannot in good conscience give an organization that used in my case 2 times "the pick a name out of a hat" for the adoption of a dog. Losing out to someone in this manner is UNJUSTIFIED and I take great offence to this practice that apparently now is "no longer" being used according to the supervisor.

I will be donating to The Animal Advocates Society, you know that little organization that your suing. A small organization that has my best interests but most especially the ANIMALS. So you see I can't donate to your society if my money is going towards stupid crusades like this instead of using the money for the animals.

I hope that you can take my letter and one day for the good of all the animals use it to change your practices. For the animals sake!!!!!!

Elisa Jukich
Coquitlam

December 2005
To: The President and the Board of Directors of the BC SPCA
(Please ensure that every member of the Board receives a copy of this email)

From: Diane Alfred

Re: SPCA Action Against Animal Advocates

I have just sat down to write my annual Christmas donations to the animal welfare organizations I respect the most and belatedly came across information from Animal Advocates about the BC SPCA's August 2004 lawsuit against them. I have only recently started contributing to SPCA again now that I am starting to see some effort by senior management to be more responsive to past concerns and criticisms. Given the enormous challenges of protecting animal welfare, no one should waste valuable resources on lawsuits. We need leadership from organizations as influential as the SPCA. You do much good work and if you demonstrate true stewardship, you will not need to waste time and resources defending yourself. I am here to be a supporter, but I must be convinced that my donations are well spent.

Perhaps this situation has already been resolved. Would you please advise of the current status. In the meantime, I will put aside my cheque to the SPCA, pending your response.

Sincerely,

Diane Alfred
Vancouver, B.C.

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:41 PM

Subject: I am writing to express my concerns over the lawsuit against AAS: Please forward to all board members

Dear SPCA Board of Directors:

I am registered for the Paws for a Cause walk scheduled for September 10. To date, I have raised over $500 for the BC SPCA and expect that total to reach over $700 by the time of the event. I have also donated money to the SPCA on various occasions and friends have begun to donate in my name instead of giving me gifts because they know how passionate I am about animals and protecting them from cruelty.

I am writing to you now to ask you to please ensure none of this money goes towards the lawsuits against members of the Animal Advocates Society. I ask that you drop this nonsense altogether. SPCA supporters like myself want what is best for the animals and wasting money on lawsuits against other people with supposedly similar goals does nothing to further this cause. I beg you to work together to make our society a more loving and compassionate one for all animals.

I was a volunteer dog walker for the Vancouver SPCA for a very short time (I ended up adopting a wonderful dog and quickly gave that up to give her my time instead). I truly believe that there are parts of the BC SPCA that are wonderful, like housing animals such as my dog Kira until they can find a good home. I was grilled before the staff person would agree to let me take Kira, which reassured me that the SPCA works hard to ensure that dogs are placed in good, loving homes. But I have heard from some friends and neighbours that complaints about animal cruelty to the SPCA have been ignored on occasion. I have always defended the SPCA, saying that you lack resources to investigate all claims only to now become aware of the fact that you are suing other animal rights organizations (ie Animal Advocates) and I have to say that I am appalled that precious resources are being used this way.

Please re-consider your decision to take costly legal action against other people who may not share your exact views on how to achieve the same goal: saving and protecting animals.

I look forward to your thoughtful response.

Sincerely

Jennifer Swan

July 2005
This is a letter U sent to the BOD of the SPCA. I feel it very much a waste of money to be squandering valuable funds. Animals rescuers are doing every day the job the SPCA should be doing, and should be applauded, not punished. This society is out of control, and needs a very strong message sent.

Lynn Avery

I would ask that the SPCA please stop using monies earmarked for animal welfare on frivolous lawsuits against animal rescuers. The animals are suffering as a direct result of this, as we all know lawyers come with expensive price tags. Each and every dollar spent on a lawyer, means that much less is spent on the animals, who need the help the most. It is a no win scenario when it comes to the court system, and the only ones who win with this is the lawyers, for at the end of the day, their pockets bulge with their ill gotten gains. Please do not continue supplementing these bottom feeders at the expense of the animals. You were originally founded as a society that was to protect the animals and your SPCA stands for the Society for The Protection of Animals, not the protection of lawyers.

Lynn Avery

From: Robert Brodgesell

Date: 01/08/06 13:38:37

To: edurack@spca.bc.ca

Subject: Pet Survivor Care Program

Dear Mr. Durack

Thank you for your inquiry re our wills and the care of our pets, should such be required.

As you know, our estate was to be left to the BC SPCA.

However, when we became aware of your attacks against the Animal Advocates Society through the legal system, we made changes to our will, circumventing the BC SPCA.

We are not donating any monetary funds to a society, we believe, is in the process of spending funds, donated purely for the welfare of animals, on uncalled for and senseless legal proceedings against an upstanding, well meaning and totally animal welfare dedicated society, such as the AAS.

I believe your attacks against the AAS are mainly attempts to try and keep your wrong doings and mistakes from public view.

Until you adopt a policy to work, as I have said so many times before, in harmony with other animal welfare societies, your system and the animals in your care will always suffer due to public lack of trust and support.

Until such time my support shall be directed to those more deserving.

Yours truly,

Robert Brodgesell

October 15^th, 2005

Vicky Renneberg, Second Vice-President, Director at Large,
BC SPCA Administration Centre,
1245, East 7^th Avenue,
Vancouver, BC V5T 1R1

Dear Ms. Renneberg,

I was speaking to some friends today who have been ardent supporters of the British Columbia Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. I made my opinion known about the vast amount of donated money - including their money, which has been donated to specifically help animals - that the BC SPCA is using to attempt to silence Judith Stone and the Animal Advocates Society of British Columbia. They were as shocked as I was that you are using financial resources to silence another group at the expense of the animals. This is never mentioned in your appeals for funds and I was unable to find anything about the law suit on your website.

The donated money that you are using to try to silence Ms. Stone and the other Animal Advocates volunteers should be used for the work for which the donations were intended - to benefit the animals.

I am asking you to drop the lawsuit for defamation against Ms. Stone and the Animal Advocates of British Columbia and put the donated money to good use – into the animal welfare for which it was intended.

I would appreciate an acknowledgement of receipt of this letter by October 30^th.

Yours sincerely,

Susan L. Hearsey
Burnaby, BC

From: sara salehie

To: gordon.campbell.mla@leg.bc.ca ; wally.oppal.mla@leg.bc.ca ; john.les.mla@leg.bc.ca ; pat.bell.mla@leg.bc.ca ; board@spca.bc.ca ; cdaniell@spca.bc.ca

Cc: animaladvocates@telus.net

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:36 PM

Subject: my concerned about the possible abuse of power by the BC SPCA and its use of legal SLAPP suits

I would like to take this opportunity to ask you a few questions regarding the valuable work your team does for wonderful animals. I recently attended your Paws for a Cause walk with my sister which was held on September 11 ^th, 2005. Together we raised approximately $200 as well as donated over $300 to a few animals which were in need of emergency care. My family and I also co-sponsored a beautiful dog to help him live a better life. I would like to know how the money, we as individuals donate to the SPCA is used towards animals. Basically how much of it goes to them and how much if any, is used as miscellaneous expense.

I would also like to know how you tend to animals and help in terms of health and safety. My experience with the SPCA has not really been very pleasant due to a phone call I once had with a member of your organization. I saw a dog who was off leash running around in a parking lot. I tried to get closer to it to see if there was a tag on him but did not notice anything. My first reaction was to call you to see if I could get any help. When I explained the situation and asked for help so the dog does not get hit by a car and possibly become hurt, the woman replied with "I'm sorry ma'am, I can't help you because we're almost closing. The only way we would help you is if the animal was in danger or hurt, not if they're running around." Now let's ask a question about her reply. What did she mean by not being able to help me? Well the animal was going to possibly get hit by a car if no one helped him. Basically she said we have to wait and see if someone will "kill" him then I can call the road kill line to come clean up the mess!! How inappropriate was her response. Is that where our donation goes to?

That is one of my concerns and my other concern, and I believe its my main concern for this email is that recently I was distressed to learn that the SPCA is engaged in a lawsuit against Animal Advocates. I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to do and say for the animals with this lawsuit action against Animal Advocates and other small animal rescue organizations. Despite the differences between your organizations in philosophy we are all here to care for the animals, not fight costly lawsuits. I may not know the whole story behind this lawsuit but I have done research and this is why I am writing to you, hoping to get some answers to my concerns. I hate to think that all the money the caring people are donating to your organization is being wasted on a lawsuit. Money spent on lawyers will never help the SPCA the way it could if it was spent on the animals. If the points I have made are true, I urge you, SPCA, to stop silencing animals by killing them and to stop spending the animals money to silence anyone who objects and questions your ways.

I hope you see my point and respond. If the SPCA is here to help abused and endangered animals and this is how the staff and your organization is responding and spending donations money, how would we then really feel about contributing to the cause?!

I appreciate you reading this email and I would like to thank you for your time. Please respond when appropriate.

Sara Salehie

Richmond, B.C.

October 11, 2005

The President and the Board of Directors of the BC SPCA
1245 East 7th Avenue
Vancouver, B.C.
VST 1R1

As a supporter of Animal Advocates, I would like to inform you that I am very concerned over the lawsuit that you presently have against this charitable organization.
You are a Society whose sole interest should be preventing cruelty to animals; just as your name implies. Spending thousands of dollars to battle a small animal rights group suggests exactly the opposite.
Would you please reconsider how you are spending this money, money that should be going to help animals. Perhaps some of the animals in your care who do not get medical help, selling intact animals (I was sold a pregnant cat by the Vancouver SPCA a few years ago) are just two ways that this money could be put to such better use.
I would think that many people who support you would be very disappointed in knowing that you allocate funds for such lawsuits.
I request that a copy of this letter be sent to every member of the Board. Sincerely,

Sylvia Lirette

----- Original Message -----
From: Anna and Rick Wong
To: board@spca.bc.ca
Cc: cdaniell@spca.bc.ca
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: Why spend donations on a lawsuit?

To whom it may concern:

I am not sure why the SPCA feels it needs to spend donors' money to silence its critics. Perhaps they feel that there are no improvements needed within the SPCA. I guess it must be perfectly acceptable to keep a dog chained in a backyard 24/7, allowing it's mental health to deteriorate, forcing a social animal to suffer in isolation and potentially become aggressive due to lack of socialization. It must also be okay for backyard breeders to keeping pumping out more animals than there are homes for, making animal control a necessary evil that the SPCA will, of course, take on for society.

Pardon my facetious tone, but I can't understand why a Society with the means to do so doesn't use its funds to take care of the animals, rather than target other animal rights groups, using these funds. Don't all rescues and animal rights groups have the same ultimate goals? My conclusion as to the reason for the lawsuit is that SPCA must believe itself to be perfect -- a perfect system, run by perfect people, and no errors in judgment, procedure or policy are ever made. But that contradicts what I said about there being more animals produced than there could possibly be homes for. An animal welfare group would never allow this to happen if it had the means and authority to make real changes for the benefit of the animals.

Only the SPCA has the power to make these much needed changes happen now. Educate the public, invoke changes in law to make backyard breeders a thing of the past, and sincerely speak for the animals who cannot speak for themselves. What is the SPCA waiting for?

SPCA, are changes regarding backyard breeding -- the root of the problem of animal overpopulation -- even on your back-burner? Please start invoking change now. Make BC a leader in animal welfare and a template for others to follow. Make it happen, and the SPCA will reap the benefits of praise and further donations for the animals from its supporters, and your critics will turn into your greatest supporters of all.

Anna Wong
North Vancouver, BC

BC SPCA Board Members,

I am appalled by the BC SPCA's actions in both instigating and pursuing this lawsuit against the Animal Advocates Society, in the vain hopes of silencing them.

We are constantly reminded of the limited resources of this organization when asking for improvements that would directly benefit the animals in its custody, yet there appears to be no shortage of funds for this undertaking.
I am currently fostering a rabbit from the Vancouver branch and on the SPCA form the reason given for foster is that it is "declining in adoption pens." When I questioned what that meant I was told the rabbit was under stress and would be better off removed from the current environment.

So, I ask that the revenues you have be spent on what the donors expect, the animals.

Sincerely,
Terry Roberge

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